Night's Omen

Out of Character => Information => Topic started by: Lachlan Williams on January 22, 2007, 09:09:03 PM

Title: Information: Shapeshifters (Vie Elavie)
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 22, 2007, 09:09:03 PM
Shapeshifter Breeds and Restrictions




The information in this thread is what is currently known about the vie elavie, or the main breed of shapeshifters, of Amelia Atwater-Rhodes' world. Information on the second breed, chai elavie, can be found here (http://angdar.com/nightsomen/index.php?topic=807.0). Everything here regarding the Nyeusi world has been taken from information that she has given us in her books, at her site(s): or at one of the message boards:
The information for the Second Form Descriptions was drawn from various sources, in which Wikipedia played a major part. Please keep in mind though I gathered and assembled this information, I'm not claiming credit for it. The information in Second Form Descriptions goes to those fine scientists who figured all of this out; information on the world is credited to Ms. Atwater-Rhodes. If there ever is a deviation to this rule, it will be noted in the post itself. Don't go looking for it.

There is a lot of information in this thread, and while it is all interesting and fairly readable, there is a link map below for those who do not feel like wading through 15 posts only to find out that the idea that they had might require a bit of rethinking.

If you have a question that is not answered below, then feel free to pm me with it.



Link Map


General
Breed information
Miscellaneous


Title: Clean List
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 22, 2007, 09:11:21 PM
Clean List
For those of you who want something that they can scan quickly.


True Breeds:Crossbreeds:
Title: General Elavie Information
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 23, 2007, 01:02:09 AM
General Elavie Information

Background InformationGeneticsFreeblood LawsInfectionAgingShifting
Title: Avians and Osprey
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 23, 2007, 04:11:47 AM
Avians and Osprey

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Title: Serpiente
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 23, 2007, 04:01:27 PM
Serpiente

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Title: Serpiente (cont.)
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 23, 2007, 04:04:50 PM
Serpiente cont.

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Title: Mistari
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
Mistari

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Title: Desmodus
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 05:54:49 PM
Desmodus

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Title: Shantel
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 05:56:00 PM
Shantel

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Title: Azteka
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 05:57:22 PM
Azteka

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Title: Pakana
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 05:58:55 PM
Pakana

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Title: Vulpes
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:00:05 PM
Vulpes

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Title: Wolves
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
Wolves

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Title: Rajar
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:03:26 PM
Rajar

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Title: shm'Ahnmik
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:05:09 PM
shm'Ahnmik

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Title: Crossbreeds
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:06:51 PM
Crossbreeds

If you are going to try to figure out genetics here, please keep in mind that these are not strictly scientifically accurate.  Elavie genetics mix magic and science, so yes, they are slightly different.

If you would like to understand the whole thing, go here (http://www.tdos.org/3world/elavie.php#3) and read the page, but keep in mind that it's complicated and may make your brain hurt if you go into the really strange ones.

If not then here's the quick version: elavie magic changes recessive genes. Therefore, if you try to cross a SSSS shifter and a ssss shifter, the child will be SSSS, because the SS will change the ss (SSSS x ssss = SSss -> SSSS). Genes of equal dominance can either act as co-dominant, mixed dominant, or recessive.

A bit confusing? Yes. But that's the way that it works. Once again, I know that this isn't how genetics work irl. This isn't irl, is it?

Breeds
Title: Part Human/Latent Elavie
Post by: Lachlan Williams on January 24, 2007, 06:07:42 PM
Part Human/Latent Elavie

Just because a person has elavie blood does not necessarily mean that they have all the powers associated with that, or even that they can shapeshift.

Latent elavie are people who have elavie blood but cannot shapeshift - or even know of the fact that they might have. If someone doesn't shift fairly early on in life (the ages differ between the different breeds) then they'll loose the ability as well as any seconday traits that go along with it. For example, if someone with the power to shift into some kind of bird (avian, goshawk, quetzal, etc) didn't end up shapeshifting fairly early on they'd grow up with none of the other defining traits - the feathers at the nape of their neck, hollow bones, higher temperature, strong eyesight, etc. They would pretty much be a normal human with nothing but the possibility of passing on the genes - because it doesn't really matter if they can shift or not. Even if they don't display any of the secondary characteristics of their blood or even shift, that doesn't change the genes. They can pass those on to their children who then would (as their parents) have the possibility of being able to shift. You needn't be full shifter to be a latent elavie - if any of the human x elavie mixes didn't shift while still young, the same thing would happen to them.

The three breeds that you would NOT get latent elavie with are Pakana, Cougar and Wolf for one good and simple reason - they are affected by the stages of the moon. They feel the need to shift at the full moon, so they wouldn't make it until they couldn't shift anymore without shifting.

Make sense?

Now then, part human.

You can have a part human elavie who can shift, the power simply becomes somewhat diluted by the human blood. A SSSS shapeshifter would have 'pure' blood; the magic would be stronger simply because more of it CARRIED the magic. But, unlike when you get a shapeshifter x shapeshifter cross, human blood is not converted to shifter by vie elavie. So, if you crossed a human and a shapeshifter the gene tag that you would get would be SSHH - only half of their blood would have elavie magic in it.

Half'n'half can still shift and they display all of the other characterstics - taking avian as example again, they'd have the elevated body temp, etc. However, because the magic isn't as strong in their blood they don't have quite the same finesse that a pure shifter might, so no HHSS person can take demi form. Similarly, for one of the breeds with an elongated life span, they might not live as long. Quarterbloods are slightly different stories - if a person is 3/4 human (HHHS) then they'd pretty much be a typical human, not able to shift. The only thing that they'd be able to do is pass on that one S gene to one of their children - who might carry it again or (if the other parent also had S gene/s) might be able to shift. For royal bloods (SSSH), they might be able to take a demi/half form.
Title: Approved Non-Canon Breeds
Post by: Lachlan Williams on February 06, 2007, 02:47:54 PM
Approved Non-Canon Breeds

Closed

All non-canon breeds of elavie now must be chai (http://angdar.com/nightsomen/index.php?topic=807.0). No new species of vie can be created. Yes, this includes undiscovered branches or whatever - the ONLY way that ANY breed will EVER be added to this kind of shapeshifters is if the creator of the universe (Amelia Atwater-Rhodes) comes out and says that she has created a new breed.

Unless she does that, this all there's gonna be; sorry.
Title: FAQ
Post by: Lachlan Williams on April 14, 2008, 02:12:20 PM
FAQ

Please feel free to pm me with any questions not answered here, I'll do my best to answer and will better know what to put in here.

GeneralBreedsCrossbreedsPart Human/Latent ElavieApproved Non-Canon Breeds